us "white ones"

topic posted Tue, May 3, 2005 - 8:44 PM by 
don't all raise your hands at once or anything. i know how proud we all all of our white herritage!

anyway, you probably already kinda know who you are. you are mixed with white somewhere down the line. you are like me - kinda can get taken for white or are at least seen as kinda white by the non-white part of your mix and maybe probably by many people of color.

so the question is, do you consider yourself a person of color?

and very closely related but not quite the same, do you FEEL like a person of color?




my answer to each of those questions is yes.

but i get shit from people for that. how can that be possible they wonder.

ironically, what makes me not feel white is my passing ability. i get up around white folks who might assume im white or at least feel kinda "safe" with me and i hear things. or maybe they even know what i am but they are kinda ignorant so they say some shit. some kind of culture as cute comodity type thing. you know what i mean.

so i get around these people and i know i do not think like a white person. so i do not feel white. i have to leave it that undefined tho because while i feel like a person of color, i don't feel like a person of any particular color. i feel, simply, mixed.

im cross posting in other mixed type tribes.... sorry if thats annoying.
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  • Yes, I do consider a person of color.
    Yes, I do feel like a person of color.

    Having said that, I could also say that I could adapt to my surroundings. For example, if I'm around white people, people from my dad's side of the family, or anyone from the Midwest, I could be as white as they are, even though I don't look it at all. If I'm hanging around a bunch of Asians, then I could be real Asian, too. Not only am I mixed in race, but I have lived in very different places (Japan, Hawaii, Nebraska, and California), so I know what it's like to be a small town farm girl or a city girl or a beach girl.
  • 'Yes' to both questions.

    I grew up in a small predominantly white town, and I was always reminded that I was Asian. Around my Filipino relatives though, I'm cousin Whitey. As you said, I don't feel like I'm any particular color, but I know I'm different.
  • wow, this is an old thread, but I just joined and have to add to the discussion. I answer yes to both quesions. Arize you described word for word the way I have felt for a long time. So nice to know Im not alone in feeling that way.
    • it reminds me of tiger woods' dilema. the media wants him to be black, as does the rest of the black community. he's not allowed to half thai because that's just weird now isn't it. i mean he looks black so he MUST BE BLACK!

      sigh people just look atcha and think they have you all figured out.
  • I have that problem. People either assume I'm white or part hispanic... *shrugs and scratches head*

    I'm 1/2 Vietnamese and 1/2 White (Irish, English, German, Scottish, 1/16 Cherokee Indian)

    I defintely consider myself a person of color. It's been sort of an internal struggle for me though. I feel pretty "white-washed" and I'm trying as hard as I can to get in touch with my Asian Heritage. I've been tkaing Asian American Studies classes and it's been helping a lot. Now I just need to find some place where I can learn to speak Veitnamese in secret and surprise my mom.

    Most of the time I just feel like some big dumb awkward boring white girl. I'm 5'8" and 145... I'm not petite like a lot of other asian girls are. I'm also brunette and fair skinned. Doesn't help much. =/
  • Well I think there's a pervasive mind-set in "white America" that sees anyone who is not like them as "colored." Yes, I meant to used the term "colored." Now we may not have felt the same stings and jabs that other more fully colored ethnicities have endured, but because of the ethnic purgatory that Hapas inhabit in America we are dealing with a new kind of racism. White People don't know fully what to do with us. We confuse them. They can't really broaden their viewpoint of what race is and spend all their time trying to conpact us into one pre-existing catagorization.

    So do I feel like a person of color or am I made to feel like a person of color? I am Hapa. It's the society around me that sees me as colored.
  • Blessings Hapa peoples, POC!

    I found this book about 8 years ago and I see that it is in many schools and libraries now.
    I hope you all pick up a copy or check it out from the library, as it is very relevent to our experiences.

    www.enotes.com/salem-lit/am-who-am

    Peace & Blessings!
    • My slant on this one is a bit different, as I am the white-girl mother of a beautiful Hapa child. My son is now 16--an age of questioning identity, anyway. And everything you have said here, I have heard him say. Unfortunately, (in some ways) we live in a small, rural very white area. We actually are between 2 towns. The one where my son goes to high school is a community of affluent, educated WHITE people. There are maybe a handful of blacks, and a handful of half-Asian kids (like my son) and a fairly large number of hispanics--mostly from illegal migrant parents. My son does NOT fit with the half-Asian crowd, who are all about getting straight A's and remembering filial respect. He identifies far more with the Blacks and Hispanics, but they don't identify with him. So, wherever he goes, he's something different from everyone else.

      My son doesn't necessarily look Asian, but he is clearly of mixed race. The one thing he's sure of is that he's NOT white. And, even in this affluent, liberal community, he gets racial jokes nearly everyday. They are meant to be friendly for the most part, but that doesn't keep them from constantly rubbing my son's face in the fact that he doesn't belong.
  • I don't know how I could FEEL like a person of color, isn't everyone?

    I been the target of violence and racism in school, first in the state of Maine for not being White and then in Hawaii for being haole (white) so it's all pretty confusing to me.

    I try to avoid those politics.
    • It's not really about politics, Daryl. And, no, most people who are just white, with no particular connection to a community that isn't, are CLUELESS about the fact that others FEEL like people of color. I used to be one of those ignorant souls. Well-meaning, non-prejudicial--I believed that "persons of color" were making a big deal out of very little. You should see "The Color Of Fear." It expresses that white ignorance well. When my then-boyfriend (later husband) would tell me about the slights he got for being Japanese, I thought that they didn't really matter, because they were just from idiots who didn't know any better.

      It wasn't till after we were married, and I had the experience of being the only one of color (white, in this case) that I began to understand. At family gatherings, or in Japantown, or Little Tokyo, I finally understood how my husband felt everyday of his life. And now my son feels that in any group, because he's neither one thing nor the other. He is NEVER in a group of his peers, truly. I'm sure many of you here know what I'm talking about.

      On the up-side, though, it has caused my son to develop a really healthy will and world view. He will never "just go along with the crowd" because it isn't HIS crowd. He is all but immune to peer pressure, and is admired for it. He can hang out with people who smoke, drink, do drugs, and not do those things himself, and it's fine with everyone. It's kind of understood that he makes his own rules, has his own code to follow. (He's also an outstanding athlete, which helps with the reasons for turning down the stuff his friends do which could affect his performance.)
  • I do not describe myself as "half white," and here's why. "Whiteness" is not a biologically objective category. It is not simply based on the color of skin either. Historically, the definition of "the white race" has changed. There was a time when Irish, Slavs, Italians, and other light-skinned European groups were not considered white in the US. "Whiteness" is simply a category created to justify colonialism and exploitation of various peoples, and the exclusion of them from power... it's a socially constructed category like all "races" are. Because it was a way of separating people and facilitating domination, people are either white or they're not... an in-between category was not admitted. Because overt racial segregation is less common now, there are more opportunities for "passing" but I think anyone who identifies themselves as white and expresses pride in "white culture" is in league with the culture of white supremacy which persists today.
    • I completely agree with Ryan. Did you guys know that anyone from North Africa or Middle East by US standards are “white” regardless of their skin color. A while back I read an article about a black man who moved from North Africa to the USA and they put him down as White, despite that he consider himself black, he was fighting to be black in USA.

      Everyone is colored; white after all is a color in the crayon box too. When you look at it no one is truly white except maybe albinos. When I think of white I think a piece of paper or the crayon. When we have middle easterns who are often brown/tannish in color being considered white, Olive skinned people being called white, or even very dark skinned people from NAfrica being called white. I think we can see that being white is no more then a social issue.

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